Culture Is the Mass-Synchronization of Framings

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mrcgnc
2 hours ago
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kayo_2021103014 minutes ago
> And culture is, by and large, random, arbitrary, and self-reinforcing.

The best definition of "culture" I've ever found is "how we do things 'round here". It's valid in both the large and in the small.

Of course, why and how we converge on those norms is mysterious, and the anthropologists, the psychologists, and etc. can have a go at explaining those parts. I can't.

unicorn_cowboy6 minutes ago
Yeah, please leave the cultural analysis to anthropologists, sociologists, etc. The engineering-focused materialist way of looking at stuff like this makes my head and heart hurt.
almostkindatech30 minutes ago
> never stand out or make a fuss

I always enjoyed this aspect of being in Tokyo. Similar to rayiner's comment, I'd then get a huge shock on return to Europe.

But I was also struck by the flip side of this when reading Murakami's account of the sarin gas attacks (Underground). Everyone was so keen not to make a fuss that trains were sent on their way too soon, poisoning even more people.

bwfan1231 hour ago
> The basic force behind all culture formation is imitation

We are also limited by the linguistic structures we inhabit. And many languages have multiple variants. There is the respectful, obedient "formal" variant used at the workplace and the informal "colloquial" used in other places.

rayiner1 hour ago
> For an Italian like me, this whole process is nothing short of a miracle. I grew up in a city where metro train boarding during rush hour feels like a prelude to the apocalypse

Going Japan reminds me of coming to the U.S. from Bangladesh. It’s so clean, so orderly, so disciplined. I’m in a grumpy mood for weeks when I get back to the U.S. Our major cities are such dumps in comparison to Tokyo or Kyoto.

righthand35 minutes ago
All of our non-major cities are even bigger dumps then. I live in Nyc for 8 years. I didn’t sit around the whole time b-ing and moaning that the city had a trash problem. I got involved in my community and active in the political movements here. When you start making issues visible and get your neighbors vocalizing the issues themselves, a lot more gets done than being in a “grumpy mood” about it indefinitely.

The real dumps are the people who complain along the way but make no effort to improve their world. Aka American culture.

jondwillis20 minutes ago
Will you provide context around how you got involved and got your neighbors to vocalize? I think there’s a lot of learned helplessness and cynicism that gets in the way of making things better. I know I personally suffer from this and lack the tools, motivation, and follow-through to make an impact.
jonahx7 minutes ago
> The real dumps are the people who complain along the way but make no effort to improve their world. Aka American culture.

Based on these 2 replies, I'd rather have a drink with rayiner than you.

rayiner20 minutes ago
> I got involved in my community and active in the political movements here. When you start making issues visible and get your neighbors vocalizing the issues themselves

But you didn't actually succeed in cleaning up New York, right? So maybe the problem is a culture that prioritizes "making issues visible" and engaging the "community" in "political movements," instead of every parent teaching their child from a young age to pick up after themselves?

> All of our non-major cities are even bigger dumps then.

Most, but not all. I was shocked to my core when I visited Salt Lake City and Provo. The closest place to Japan in the whole U.S.

pixl971 hour ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_tunnel

The human brain is one of the most powerful filtering devices that exists. If you train it not to see something, that something can effectively disappear for you. Families, cults, and even societies quite often work on this premise.

metalman1 hour ago
Culture is performance art invented by people at the fringes.
rayiner1 hour ago
“Culture” has layers: https://laureltomin.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02.... Art, food, clothing, etc., are the upper, superficial layers.

But what the article is talking about are the deep layers of culture. Rooted in how mothers and fathers socialize their children from an early age.